Could we see elemental reflect for players? Would it be fair?

My question is simple, Do you guys think the dev should provide elemental reflect on item/curse for pvp purpose.


If it is on an item that people can switch it would not be different from canceling bleeders with the amulet or pure phy users with guardians/tempest/molten.

There is plenty of things to reflect physical damage in this game: from guardian using bramblejack , thousand temu(?) shield, phy reflect on amulet ,molten shell and even Tempest shield(more for melee, not only physical but still a reflect affecting also phy users).

True, elemental casters got nerfed a lot in 2.0 even if some skills like incinerate or whispering ice are still kind of very very good and ranged bow elemental is very strong.

There is also the problem of pen gem, very powerful for elemental users without real drawback.

EA could be countered by having its damage reflected too without needing to nerf it (in the case of elemental reflect curse).

Not even talking about those cyclone+discharge on crit dealing 1 million elem damage dps running around those days.


I think personally it would be fair if GGG introduced a curse.

I know some of the caster here would not like it but a curse is an elegant solution for skill play too.



Skilled players could use anti-curse flask but phy users can still try to use the curse and play smart.


For me a curse would be the best solution if Elemental reflect is needed (i think it is :)).

The curse could have drawback, like once used it reduce 30% block chance/dodge to the cursing user to avoid full block tempest to abuse it during the curse duration+ take increased phy damage.

To avoid being too op the reflect could be based on 30-40%(?) of the elem damage taken.

Boring block-tempest abusers being cursed would also get back part of their own tempest damage, it would make them move a little and not abuse tempest like they do.


In summary:

An elemental curse would be a great addition to the pvp world.
it would be an elegant solution for countering EA and elemental crit build
It could have drawback like block/dodge reduction on the curse caster during curse duration (could even make the curse user take increased phy damage too , why not it would be also balanced for pve purpose then)
It could be countered with anti-curse flask promoting intelligent play.
It could make block+tempest think a little before standing still and tank damages while abusing tempest dps.
It would only reflect part of damage taken, so not OP

What you guys think?

Im not really into reflect mechanics as a counter build solution, crit phys can already 1 shot themselves on reflect and so can elemental crit, this would just put down crit casters even more imo. You are touching builds that certainly arent op right now to counter other builds with a certain mechanic, you need to come up with wider solutions for ALL builds.

Your solution is quite similar to having a tempest shield reflect skill for every build out there which would be quite annoying to take damage out of nowhere against everyone from just a simple curse.

Tempest shield needs atleast a 4L and crit to deliver efficient damage, as well as investments into block, a curse does not need anything but a slot.

I can understand that it could be countered by a flask, but it's still a way too efficient and too easy to use mechanic that could be easily abused, an exemple would be a very tanky character spamming the curse until you're out of flasks or cwdt curse appliance, you would technically need to hit the flask dispel before the cwdt detonates which is quite impossible.

I like the idea, however i dont think another reflect mechanic is the key to balance things more further.

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hauntworld1 wrote:

Im not really into reflect mechanics as a counter build solution, crit phys can already 1 shot themselves on reflect and so can elemental crit, this would just put down crit casters even more imo. You are touching builds that certainly arent op right now to counter other builds with a certain mechanic, you need to come up with wider solutions for ALL builds.

Your solution is quite similar to having a tempest shield reflect skill for every build out there which would be quite annoying to take damage out of nowhere against everyone from just a simple curse.

Tempest shield needs atleast a 4L and crit to deliver efficient damage, as well as investments into block, a curse does not need anything but a slot.

I can understand that it could be countered by a flask, but it's still a way too efficient and too easy to use mechanic that could be easily abused, an exemple would be a very tanky character spamming the curse until you're out of flasks or cwdt curse appliance, you would technically need to hit the flask dispel before the cwdt detonates which is quite impossible.

I like the idea, however i dont think another reflect mechanic is the key to balance things more further.

All fair point.

I did not think about the spamming problem at all.

Maybe a battlecry with 2 sec recharge would be better then, it would force people to come in contact if they want to apply it.

Well I see it would bring a lot of balance problem anyway.

Ho well.

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lolozori wrote:

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hauntworld1 wrote:

Im not really into reflect mechanics as a counter build solution, crit phys can already 1 shot themselves on reflect and so can elemental crit, this would just put down crit casters even more imo. You are touching builds that certainly arent op right now to counter other builds with a certain mechanic, you need to come up with wider solutions for ALL builds.

Your solution is quite similar to having a tempest shield reflect skill for every build out there which would be quite annoying to take damage out of nowhere against everyone from just a simple curse.

Tempest shield needs atleast a 4L and crit to deliver efficient damage, as well as investments into block, a curse does not need anything but a slot.

I can understand that it could be countered by a flask, but it's still a way too efficient and too easy to use mechanic that could be easily abused, an exemple would be a very tanky character spamming the curse until you're out of flasks or cwdt curse appliance, you would technically need to hit the flask dispel before the cwdt detonates which is quite impossible.

I like the idea, however i dont think another reflect mechanic is the key to balance things more further.

All fair point.

I did not think about the spamming problem at all.

Maybe a battlecry with 2 sec recharge would be better then, it would force people to come in contact if they want to apply it.

Well I see it would bring a lot of balance problem anyway.

Ho well.

Something with a cooldown would already be a lot better to keep the abuse factor on point.