3.14 KING OF ALL SUMMONERS. Zombies & Skeletons & Spectres on STEROIDS! | League-Start to End-Game
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Elorathiel wrote:
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Linus1985 wrote:
Elorathiel have you been able to play arround with clusters yet?
My zombies now have Renewal and Feasting Fiends both traits helps aton to keep the minions alive. Got them both on a medium cluster
I've been rolling them and I have some in mind that I want to play with. The problem is, the build is so tight. To fit in the necessary survive-ability, we hardly have any points to spare and I haven't determined if there is something I can remove to replace with the cluster.
I've been working on crafting a large cluster with:
They can be crafted fairly easy but it's still somewhat expensive. Some of the prefixes/suffixes have lower occurrences. Raze and Pillage is low. Vicious bite is the lowest. Primordial Bond is also low but only really good for Golem builds.
Im using this cluster jewel in my three:
9 small passives (wish it was 8 :/)
Renewal
Rotten claws (+20% chance to impale)
Vicious Bite
2 jewel sockets
I dont like very much Raze and Pillage, mainly bcs you cant run ele ref maps anymore with that
Last edited by Akisailent#5635 on Mar 18, 2020, 11:12:45 PM
Elorathiel have you been able to play arround with clusters yet?
My zombies now have Renewal and Feasting Fiends both traits helps aton to keep the minions alive. Got them both on a medium cluster
I've been rolling them and I have some in mind that I want to play with. The problem is, the build is so tight. To fit in the necessary survive-ability, we hardly have any points to spare and I haven't determined if there is something I can remove to replace with the cluster.
I've been working on crafting a large cluster with:
They can be crafted fairly easy but it's still somewhat expensive. Some of the prefixes/suffixes have lower occurrences. Raze and Pillage is low. Vicious bite is the lowest. Primordial Bond is also low but only really good for Golem builds.
Im using this cluster jewel in my three:
9 small passives (wish it was 8 :/)
Renewal
Rotten claws (+20% chance to impale)
Vicious Bite
2 jewel sockets
I dont like very much Raze and Pillage, mainly bcs you cant run ele ref maps anymore with that
The 9th passive should be skipable anyway.
got a screeenshot the 9 passive layout is?
Last edited by Linus1985#5731 on Mar 18, 2020, 11:36:49 PM
But then i took a look on the PoB...
Uber High end setup.
All Awaken gems lvl 6, all gems 21/23
Creazy amulet, even more creazy weapon
This stupid jewel which can't get bought even...
With such "budget", i think there are quite a lot of builds with much stronger Uber-late :( It's nice to see such necro melting everything, but it's way too expensive for normal player to even get 1/10 of that setup :(
Changing gems to 20/20 (no awaken gems), changing amulet to Astramentis, and into "normale weapon" (coronal maul with +1/+2 gems, minions as/cs and lvl 1 fortify) = dps dropped from 300k, to 230k.
eHP dropped by over 1k.
Idk, why PoB shows that Your build have 10 zombies, while "the non-creazy version" i'm checking has 11 xD As yours has "more of everything" - some kind of POB bug i think.
Edit:
We all feel very greatfull for your hard work on the build! But please, stay with us on the normal level, not above heavens when showing us the new league versions :) Such extra video could be a nice part of the guid, with something like "end-game gameplay" or something like that ;)
haha come on guys keep up with me ;D
Bear in mind 230k in POB is without calculations. Once you add in Frenzies and all the rest your damage will be pretty signficant. Also, the POB runs with Minion Speed. Add in Minion Damage for bossing and you will be killing it.
You will easily get over 500k per zombie x 11 zombies > 5million DPS.
I'm running with this regular old mace now and it literally plays no differently:
BTW an Awakened Level 6 vs 5 is very minimal difference too. You won't notice it.
And a drop from ~12,000 eHP to ~11,000 is still pretty damn tanky.
Last edited by brunowa#6253 on Mar 18, 2020, 11:47:23 PM
I need to allocate 8 passives to get 3 notables and 2 jewel sockets, if it was add 8 small passives, I would need only 7 to get all
If you have the currency and the options are too expensive on the market you can try crafting one with 8 small passives.
1. Buy any minion large cluster with 8 small 75 =< ilevel < 84
2. Scour
3. Alt roll until you hit Renewal/Vicious Bite (Nothing Else!) You must hit this pair because they have the lowest occurrence and it's cheapest to do here.
4. Regal for Rotten Claws. If you don't hit, go back to 2.
5. Exalt Slam for 2 Jewel slots. (its about 1 in 4 for 2 jewels) Sell or start over if you don't hit the 2.
Last edited by Elorathiel#6930 on Mar 19, 2020, 12:07:32 AM
I need to allocate 8 passives to get 3 notables and 2 jewel sockets, if it was add 8 small passives, I would need only 7 to get all
If you have the currency and the options are too expensive on the market you can try crafting one with 8 small passives.
1. Buy any minion large cluster with 8 small 75 =< ilevel < 84
2. Scour
3. Alt roll until you hit Renewal/Vicious Bite (Nothing Else!) You must hit this pair because they have the lowest occurrence and it's cheapest to do here.
4. Regal for Rotten Claws. If you don't hit, go back to 2.
5. Exalt Slam for 2 Jewel slots. (its about 1 in 4 for 2 jewels) Sell or start over if you don't hit the 2.
Seems good strategy, but im afraid its not 1 in 4, loocking on trade you have many possibilities as last suffix:
1-2 jewel sockets
+# to intelligence
+# to dexterity
+# to strengh
minion cast speed
inc mana regen rate
+# to chaos res
all with they multiple tiers and probably the list goes on. Curreency wise its probably easier to chaos spam it if you want to craft it
Last edited by Akisailent#5635 on Mar 19, 2020, 12:15:12 AM
I need to allocate 8 passives to get 3 notables and 2 jewel sockets, if it was add 8 small passives, I would need only 7 to get all
If you have the currency and the options are too expensive on the market you can try crafting one with 8 small passives.
1. Buy any minion large cluster with 8 small 75 =< ilevel < 84
2. Scour
3. Alt roll until you hit Renewal/Vicious Bite (Nothing Else!) You must hit this pair because they have the lowest occurrence and it's cheapest to do here.
4. Regal for Rotten Claws. If you don't hit, go back to 2.
5. Exalt Slam for 2 Jewel slots. (its about 1 in 4 for 2 jewels) Sell or start over if you don't hit the 2.
Seems good strategy, but im afraid its not 1 in 4, loocking on trade you have many possibilities as last suffix:
1-2 jewel sockets
+# to intelligence
+# to dexterity
+# to strengh
minion cast speed
inc mana regen rate
+# to chaos res
all with they multiple tiers and probably the list goes on. Curreency wise its probably easier to chaos spam it if you want to craft it
It's 25.7 percent to slam 2 jewels. Roughly 1 in 4. This is due to each of the rolls having different weights. Remember, not all rolls are equally likely. Chaos are still expensive right now. Later in league chaos spamming might be better when the ex rate is 180-190:1. Right now, it's far better to alt spam.
Also note that because the jewel is less than 84, it deletes a whole second tier of possible affixes.
1 Jewel socket has weight 5000! 2 Jewel Socket has weight 2500!
For reference, strength tier 2 has weight 100.
Last edited by Elorathiel#6930 on Mar 19, 2020, 12:22:33 AM
Seems good strategy, but im afraid its not 1 in 4, loocking on trade you have many possibilities as last suffix:
1-2 jewel sockets
+# to intelligence
+# to dexterity
+# to strengh
minion cast speed
inc mana regen rate
+# to chaos res
all with they multiple tiers and probably the list goes on. Curreency wise its probably easier to chaos spam it if you want to craft it
It's 25.7 percent to slam 2 jewels. Roughly 1 in 4. This is due to each of the rolls having different weights. Remember, not all rolls are equally likely. Chaos are still expensive right now. Later in league chaos spamming might be better when the ex rate is 180-190:1. Right now, it's far better to alt spam.
Where can you see it ?the probabylity I mean. Would be great if it is the case.
Last edited by Akisailent#5635 on Mar 19, 2020, 12:23:56 AM
Seems good strategy, but im afraid its not 1 in 4, loocking on trade you have many possibilities as last suffix:
1-2 jewel sockets
+# to intelligence
+# to dexterity
+# to strengh
minion cast speed
inc mana regen rate
+# to chaos res
all with they multiple tiers and probably the list goes on. Curreency wise its probably easier to chaos spam it if you want to craft it
It's 25.7 percent to slam 2 jewels. Roughly 1 in 4. This is due to each of the rolls having different weights. Remember, not all rolls are equally likely. Chaos are still expensive right now. Later in league chaos spamming might be better when the ex rate is 180-190:1. Right now, it's far better to alt spam.
Where can you see it ?the probabylity I mean. Would be great if it is the case.
It's not posted. You take the pool of affixes and their respective weight and crunch the numbers to determine the probability.
The roll is very heavily biased towards 1 or 2 jewel sockets. Just roll one with alts and see how often it comes up. I can hit 2 jewel sockets all the time just alt spamming a cluster. It's super common. It makes sense too, because that's how they wanted the system to work. They wanted you to nest these clusters within clusters. To do that you need the jewel socket. I didn't hand crank out the math myself, somebody did it for me and I just made note of it. But what I said previously, is how you would approach it. Remember this is weighted RNG where not all outcomes are equally likely. It's not as simple as a dice roll which has 6 outcomes therefore obtaining 1 is 1 in 6.
Here I dug up a link that I had bookmarked to reference the crafting of jewels.
